Thursday, June 12, 2014

Rumor re: 5775

A discussion is brewing online within the Groner family, שיחי''ו (Rabbi Leibel Groner was one of the Rebbe's secretaries).

The story is that the Alter Rebbe was once reading from Pekudei 38:28, which mentions the sum of 1775 talents collected.
ואת האלף ושבע המאות וחמשה ושבעים
Instead of reading the "hei" of "ha-elef" (the thousand) with a "patach", he read it with a "tzeirei" (which turns the letter "hei" into 5).

When the Alter Rebbe read it as “5775” his Gabbai corrected him. The Alter Rebbe then said again “5775”, to which the Gabbai once again corrected him. This repeated itself 4 times. Thereafter the Alter Rebbe went into deep meditation. When he quit his meditation he opened his eyes and whispered to the Gabbai that “5775” had something to do with the coming of Moshiach.

Rabbi Groner verifies the authenticity of the Rebbe previously revealing this story to at least one of his secretaries.

It is believed this story's source comes from an as yet unknown "Polish" sefer.

(And, as a blogger Rafi points out, here, 5775 = תשועה
and "every time the word תשועה is mentioned in Tanach, it always has to do with David. No exceptions.")

That's David as in "משיח בן דוד".

Let's hope the Alter Rebbe's prophetic story is confirmed.
This link, however, says the 5775 issue best!


Edga said...

Thank you!

Yisroel Lazerson said...

We want Moshiach now not c"v to wait till next year!

Ischalta D'Geulah said...

This has already been sourced in mamaarim from the Alter Rebbe (as you once noted) where he brings sources from the Ohr Hachayim.

Anonymous said...

where can we see this discussion of the groner family?

and to ischalta dgeula: can you post those maamorim together with the orhachaim?

Ischalta DeGeulah said...

מאמרי אדמו״ר הזקן על פרשיות - פקודי page תיט
The Alter Rebbe cites the Ohr HaChayim there.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

We are in the 6th year of the final Shmittah cycle before Mashiach comes. The first of the Kolot for year 6 has occurred with the election of Reuven Rivlin, the 7th generation Kol HaTor, being elected president. The Shmittah year 5775 will be the great wars of Gog UMagog between the West and Persia/Russia and all nations represented by a bear along with the final attempt by the nations of the world to divide Eretz Yisrael which will be miraculously stopped. In 5776, the Motzei Shmittah year and the 50th year of the unification of Yerushalayim, Ben David comes at Sha'ar Nun, The Gateway of the 50th. It will be a Happy Yovel.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

The Kol Ben HaYonah is Eliyahu HaNavi. We shall see if he shows up a bit later this summer.

The Tor is Mashiach ben Yosef, and the Ben Yonah is Mashiach ben David in the Covenant between the Parts. The scavenger vulture that tried to disrupt the Covenant for the last 7 years was Shimon Peres. Because the 999 steps of Mashiach ben Yosef are complete, Rivlin was elected President to complete the 7 generations of the Kol HaTor. We are getting ready for the next step which leads to Eliyahu HaNavi coming to herald the miracles of the coming of Mashiach ben David.

Yankev said...

See here:

And it's also brought down in the book "Konanta Me'az":
I heard from my grandfather, the pious, famous Rav Yehuda Aryeh Leib Tziviak ZT"L, who told over when he was living in Warsaw that he heard from the elders - the Hasidim of the Rasha"b - ZY"A, who told over about a Hasid who received an Aliya to the Torah by the rabbi, the Ba'al Hatanya ZY"A on Parshat Pekudei, and the rabbi was reading the Torah. When he reached the verse וְאֶת-הָאֶלֶף וּשְׁבַע הַמֵּאוֹת, וַחֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים, עָשָׂה וָוִים, לָעַמּוּדִים [And of the thousand seven hundred seventy and five shekels he made hooks for the pillars], he heard from the holy rabbi that he said in a whisper that the year 1775 is the time that the coming of Mashiah will quickly be revealed. And afterwards, the Hasid related [to the rabbi] what he had heard from the rabbi's holy mouth. And when the Ba'al Hatanya heard this, he was insistant in the matter [and was not happy that this matter got revealed] and the other man did not finish the year [alive].

מובא בספר 'כוננת מאז' שמעתי מזקני הרה"ח המפורסם ר' יהודה אריה לייב ציוויאק זצ"ל
שסיפר שבהיותו גר בורשא שמע מזקני חסידי הרש"ב זי"ע שסיפרו על חסיד אחד שעלה לתורה אצל הרב בעל
התניא זי"ע בפרשת פקודי והרב היה הקורא בתורה, כשהגיע הרב לפסוק "ואת האלף ושבע מאות וחמשה ושבעים
עשה ווים לעמודים וגו", שמע מהרה"ק שאומר בלחישא ששנת "אלף שבע מאות וחמשה ושבעים" הוא זמן ביאת
משיח במהרה יגלה, ואחר כך סיפר החסיד מה ששמע מפה קדשו, וכששמע בעל התניא הקפיד בדבר ולא הוציא
הלה את שנתו.

Dov Bar-Leib said...

The FreeMasonic founders of America were big into Kabbalah, but they G-d forbid based all years on the birth of Yoshke, Oto Ish. So the 1775 shekels of silver to build the Mishkan would have caught their eye. As Masons they liked to talk a lot about designing buildings. So at the Battle of Lexington and Concord, they figured that it was time to found America. In their Edomite mindset, the founding of America was a Messianic event. They even compared the following year 1776 to a Yovel or Motzei Shmittah year by placing Dror Yikrah (Proclaim Liberty...) on the Liberty Bell. Of course, July 4th, 1776 was on the 17th of Tamuz that year. So they viewed all this Kabbalah with Edomite glasses.

Yet, the real Shmittah and Yovel years from the reunification of Yerushalayim are the years 5775 and 5776.

Yankev said...

I found the relevant text in Maamorim of the Alter Rebbe, chelek I, p. 419. He is counting 1775 years from the churban bayis sheini, bringing us to 5603 as a keitz.

We need a source for this "heh elef" business.

I asked Leibel Groner today and he expressed wonder why people are making a big thing out of it, he said he knows about it since he was 12 years old because it's printed in Imrei Bina of the Mitteler Rebbe (also counting 1775 years from the churban).

On the other hand, we since 5603 already passed, we can learn the posuk to mean 5 thousand 775. Why not? :-) And the year 5775 already began in Nissan according to Rabbi Yehoshua in the gemora (world was created in Nissan, etc.)

Anonymous said...

if we add 172 to 5603 , we get 5775. the alter rebbe mentions and adds the number 172